An electronic intelligence analyst and radar expert that spent 25 years in the CIA answered questions regarding UAPs. Sentinel News selected the most interesting bits.

This article is a selection of excerpts from an interview by John Ramirez on Area 52

Highlights

“The systems that I was assigned did detect anomalous signatures when they were tracking ballistic missiles of their own manufacture. They were accompanied by strange lights, strange objects.”

“when the Soviet Union would launch a ballistic missile test, these domes of light would accompany the missile”

“occasionally, the radar would pick up something else and it would start tracking nothing that we could determine, that there was something up there that was of interest to the Soviets up in their space. And they would start tracking objects that we could not determine what they were. “

“There were previous collections of structured craft.”

“The CIA never stopped its own project to investigate UFOs”

“There was an orb working group. And that started around 2003, 2004. But this orb working group included members of the entire intelligence community. Outside of CIA. NGA was the lead,”

“And the title was “UFO propulsion systems manual of operations”. So if you have a UFO propulsion system manual of operations, that tells me that somebody reverse engineered some craft. “

“That's 10%. And so going back and thinking about, you know, the CIA knew there was something up there that were real UFOs.”

“They were able to collect DNA. From aliens. And that's when they discovered it just didn't happen in 47, it happened later. Probably they had tissue samples or whatever that they've stored. And they were able to recover DNA. And when we discovered how to sequence the human genome. We sequenced the alien DNA. And we discovered that “Oh, there are markers in there that look very human”. Human hybrids. That what looks like an alien has for some reason has human genetic markers in their DNA and the genome.”

“The key phrase that Gerald Haynes used was “since World War II, after World War II, we were interested in alien DNA", particularly found in humans”.”

“CIA had a program to trace this alien DNA in certain families in the United States. “

“His branch did operations under the sea, retrieving things. I can't mention the name, but I know the people who worked there in that particular program.”

“There were two radars at White Sands testing the V2, and those radars, the SCR-587, they were called, it's a three gigahertz signal.”

“I told them, you guys don't control disclosure. They do. They can show up tomorrow.”

Quotes

6:05

I was an electronic intelligence analyst, ELINT, we call it E-L-I-N-T, ELINT. And that's one of the branches of signal intelligence, or SIGINT. And this branch of SIGINT deals with radar signals, signals coming from missile seekers, signals associated with weapon systems. So the purpose was to collect and analyze the signals, process the signals, and then to be able to determine the capabilities of a weapon system just based on the signals.

In that sense, we were reverse engineering the weapon system just based on the capabilities of that system to be able to detect, track, and engage targets.

07:28

The systems that I was assigned did detect anomalous signatures when they were tracking ballistic missiles of their own manufacture. They were accompanied by strange lights, strange objects. Tagalongs, right. And they were called the domes of light phenomena by FTD back in the day. And so when the Soviet Union would launch a ballistic missile test, these domes of light would accompany the missile.

9:25

I was assigned a particular radar in the Soviet Union that was very unique to the Soviet Union. And we found out that the purpose of the radar was atmospheric anomalous research. This radar would come up and will start transmitting signals prior to the launch so we can detect that. And we know that the launch is being prepared because in order to fire a ballistic missile, you have to put it on the launch pad and you have to do things to the missile to prepare it for launch. And so we have telemetry signals being tested before the launch. So we knew that something was up. And in the meantime, the radar was warming up, so to speak, going through a series of waveform modes of operation, getting it ready. And then the launch would happen.

13:52

We would detect that back then through the Defense Support Program, the DSP satellites that detect infrared signatures of a launch. And then after the entire launch would be finished, that is the missile impacted as planned, the radar would gradually shut down and it'll go through the same kind of pacing of shutting it down. So it might do a few waveform modes to prepare to shut down, so we can detect that.

But occasionally, the radar would pick up something else and it would start tracking nothing that we could determine, that there was something up there that was of interest to the Soviets up in their space. And they would start tracking objects that we could not determine what they were.

15:40

We would call orbs today, but then there were domes of light. That was the phrase that actually, if you look up old FTD documents, they would refer to it as the “domes of light”.

16:23

We were able to actually see these orbs. But as measures of intensity or radiance, what we detected through these systems was an object that in visible light, 600 nanometers was the wavelength, and that 600 nanometers corresponds to the orange color. There were previous collections of structured craft.

18:55

The CIA never stopped its own project to investigate UFOs. They're not going to make these 90-degree turns, you know, and shoot straight up or anything like that.

They won't exhibit those five observables. Solid light won't do that, but these craft did. And unlike something solid like tic-tac, you know, these light orbs were doing the same thing. So that's what piqued CIA's interest. What are these orbs?

21:58

There was an orb working group. And that started around 2003, 2004. But this orb working group included members of the entire intelligence community. Outside of CIA. NGA was the lead, because the orbs were found on NGA data. Since they owned the data, they were the lead. And then we participated with NGA, DIA, NSA, everybody. Along with our contractors. I had two engineers, Allen, A-L-L-E-N, Allen and Bob. So these two guys were sent to the orb working group. They got briefed into a compartment dealing with everything CIA knew about UFOs.

25:55

What we detected was out in space. We ruled out any kind of air-breathing aircraft that would have plasma stealth on it. And it was performing maneuvers that... Exactly. I mean, it would tear the aircraft apart.

28:45

I got them a safe, and they started getting materials from this working group, compartmented materials on the UFO program. They had to go in the safe. Now, one of my engineers, where I was going with this, Bob, one of my engineers, was looking at one of the manuals. It was that thick. And he left that on his desk, face front, just as you have this folder here. And I was able to read the title. And the title was “UFO propulsion systems manual of operations”. So if you have a UFO propulsion system manual of operations, that tells me that somebody reverse engineered some craft. And it's that thick. So I have that piece of data. I looked at the title. Bob had his back turned. He turned around, saw me looking at the title, immediately grabbed that, placed it front cover down so I couldn't read the cover. “Sorry about that, boss”.

And then immediately put it back in the safe and locked it up. So I know that they were briefed into something that we already reverse engineered. Looked like it was like decades old. It was a manual, not a white paper, not a talking points or anything like that. It was a manual. Somebody did some actual work on a UFO propulsion system to the point that they were able to write a manual of operation for it. So I didn't need to be read into it. I knew enough based on my earlier career of working with these domes of light phenomenon and working with that particular radar, actually met a woman who is an operations officer and she complained to me, “I got sent up to this mountain and they told me to look for these domes of light”. And I apologize to her.

34:26

Yeah, that was a Russian early warning ballistic missile warning system detected these orbs. And they thought that it was a US sneak attack. And so they brought up their alert level. And when they bring up their alert level, we can detect the fact that they brought their alert level. And you have these missiles that were needed to be prepped. And so there are certain indications that we are able to detect a launch might be occurring.

 

Yeah, it's hard to hide the signature of a major retaliatory strike. So they were prepping they didn't go all the way up to Def Con their version of Def Con to actually start launching. But we were able to detect that. And so because we were able to detect it, Washington called Moscow saying what the hell is going on with you guys? So what the hell is it going on with you guys? What are these things? And we don't know what they are. So you know, there's there's an ability at the National Military Command Center in the Pentagon, to communicate with their counterparts. Gerald K. Haynes said one in 10 were UFOs. We have case files of real UFOs. The one in 10 sightings were actual

47:49

That's 10%. And so going back and thinking about, you know, the CIA knew there was something up there that were real UFOs. And this is like more of the public side of CIA that that it's still classified side of CIA, but not the program side. It's not deep. It's just interesting information that you saw a UFO and that 10% of them couldn't be explained. So the second part of that discussion was about beings that they were aliens, there were actual aliens, and that they were able to collect DNA. From aliens. And that's when they discovered it just didn't happen in 47, it happened later. Probably they had tissue samples or whatever that they've stored. And they were able to recover DNA. And when we discovered how to sequence the human genome. We sequenced the alien DNA. And we discovered that “Oh, there are markers in there that look very human”. Human hybrids. That what looks like an alien has for some reason has human genetic markers in their DNA and the genome.

50:52

When there's passage material, we actually read into the passage material. And my explanation of that is this that I was involved in some covert programs. And it required me to be overseas undercover with a different name, different complete different biography, complete different history. Now sit overseas with actual documents. And I was told that if you're stopped, even by customs, when you're coming back to United States or the other customs of the foreign country you're going to, that we want you to have a cover story. You have to have a cover legend. And you can use these cover legends, depending on the circumstance. So I was given the passage material to pass on. And also, I would say that because of the nature of that symposium, I discounted that completely because of who was there.

53:02

The key phrase that Gerald Haynes used was “since World War II, after World War II, we were interested in alien DNA", particularly found in humans”. At that time, I didn't know anything about Magenta. I had no knowledge of Magenta, of that craft and that retrieval. I had no knowledge that we may have had the craft itself with, as David Grush would call, biologics on board. Because what he said afterwards, rang all kinds of, “oh, this sounds really classified” and that was that CIA had a program to trace this alien DNA in certain families in the United States. And he mentioned a particular region that this research occurred in the Northeast United States. I don't know how they collected this DNA. You know, we have oversight now, and that oversight started in the mid-70s, the Congressional Oversight. This sounded like it occurred before there was a Congressional Oversight, because you couldn't do that today.

1:19:28

They knew about that. And so I think that's why I wasn't allowed to be read into that particular compartment. But it has to do with undersea stuff. And I know that the particular branch that Ken was in did some interesting things under the water. When Ken was explaining why the Pentagon didn't want me to be read, and I was arguing why it should be read. He said: “you don't understand, John, this program is the highest secret, top secret in the entire United States government.

This top secret information exceeds that of Manhattan Project.” And he mentioned Manhattan Project by name, “exceeds the Manhattan Project”. And the Pentagon doesn't want you to be read.

1:21:43

His branch did operations under the sea, retrieving things. I can't mention the name, but I know the people who worked there in that particular program. And if I said the names, you would say, “Haaan”.

1:26:16

This goes back to my radar, my beloved radar. Now use the Russian name for it. It's Neman-P, N-E-M-A-N dash P, P stands for polygon, Neman polygon. It's a very unique radar. It's very sophisticated. It's probably still the most sophisticated waveforms I've ever seen coming out of a radar. And I've seen a lot of different things coming out of radar, highly capable, extremely advanced radar. And so we were flying something that wasn't a satellite or wasn't a conventional satellite. It was a very unique spacecraft. And the spacecraft had like a radar warning receiver in a car that, you know, if the police car is sitting by the road, you know, with a radar gun, want to see what your speed limit is, you can detect it. So this craft had a similar type of system that if it was illuminated by a radar, it would detect that illumination. And actually it would collect some of the parameters of that radar. So you can further, it's not just a blip, you know, you can further identify it by looking at the parameters and you can match it to known signals. So I was read into this spacecraft and that subsystem that detected the signals as well as the intelligence collected by that particular spacecraft. It's dealt with intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. But it didn't look like a satellite. It looked like an egg, tapered. I can't say it was ours or NHI. I just know that the craft I was briefed into could not have landed because it was a spacecraft and it orbited. It was an orbital craft that flew into space collecting intelligence and I don't think it could land.

If it was de-orbited, it would burn up in the atmosphere like anything else coming back from orbit into the Earth's atmosphere. It will just burn up. So I don't think it was retrieved in that sense. It can't, it could not have been retrieved. And I may be wrong. I don't think Jake Barber's video, I don't know what the source of that was. I don't know if that was the actual craft that he was responsible for retrieving. I don't know, but I, one thing, what I was briefed in could not have entered the Earth's atmosphere and land like that intact. It would have, it would have burned up.

It was built by humans. I have no idea what technology was inside the craft other than I know that there was this radar warning component in it. And I know it took pictures. And I know that it wasn't supposed to be detected.

1:38:51

The Russians have done it. Yeah, they've done what Jake Barber is doing now. They've already done it. And it comes from a major general in the Russian Air Force, retired. He said that they were able to lure UAP down. And then when it came down, they were able to interact with UAP just by body movements and thought.

They were using electromagnetic signals. Certain frequencies. I would say that three gigahertz is a magic frequency. For some reason, they respond to three gigahertz. The radar I talked to you about before, NEMAN-P, that is an S-band radar. It works just below three gigahertz. It's a very wideband signal below three gigahertz. It seems to me that, oh, and the craft followed by the RB-47 that the late Dr. James McDonald wrote about, the RB-47 being a reconnaissance aircraft, they detected with their onboard signals, collection systems, a three gigahertz signal coming from that, that they followed.

1:40:20

There were two radars at White Sands testing the V2, and those radars, the SCR-587, they were called, it's a three gigahertz signal. So three gigahertz for some reason seems to be the magic wavelength, frequency rather. But according to this major general, Alexeyev, they were able to lure down these craft and interact with them.

1:44:20

Because I told them, you guys don't control disclosure. They do. They can show up tomorrow.